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Posted by: joshpurple Sep 24 2006, 04:44 PM

Edit:

NOTE:

This is a work in progress, VERY DRAFT. Just draft tests on the Alpha release. NOT a final shot by any means.

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Mistake corrected, -see Jerky's notes below. Thanks.

Posted by: Jerky Sep 24 2006, 04:49 PM

See other thread in Art.

Should dump to Dwarf Alpha/screenshots folder after pressing print screen.

Make sure that is what you are trying.

Posted by: joshpurple Sep 24 2006, 04:50 PM

Thank You Jerky, will do!

Edit: Indeed! Dumb me! That is working great!

Here's the real screenshot:

NOTE: This is a DRAFT WIP, by no means a final shot. Again, just some draft tests with the DWARF Alpha release.



http://ProjectWish.joshpurple.com/ss.jpg

NOTE:
using a pre-release version of DWARF (GUI was still imperfect).
-I have the current release now

Posted by: Yellow Sep 24 2006, 05:59 PM

great looking centaur! amazing work. The proportions look perfect, I'd love to see a skinned version of it.

Posted by: Jerky Sep 25 2006, 11:22 AM

Yeah, just in case anyone compares their screenshots to Josh's, he was using a pre-release version of DWARF, so the GUI was still imperfect. He has the new version now.

No one but me probably noticed, but I sure did . *shudders*

Posted by: joshpurple Sep 25 2006, 11:47 AM

You totally nailed it! And the manual that pops up with the new version answers SO MUCH , Thank You!

Posted by: RicoSuave Sep 25 2006, 01:26 PM

Compare myself to JP's ability!? NO THANK YOU!
I'd like to keep the shred of self-esteem I have please.

Posted by: Pandra Sep 25 2006, 02:57 PM

He is awesome <3

And I have no clue what I'm supposed to be doing with Dwarf. *shakes her fist at Yellow* You and you're "oh it's easy"

So much for messing around with terrain designs and stuff.

Posted by: joshpurple Sep 25 2006, 03:38 PM

You all are the BEST! *Blush!* Thank Yous!

Pandra, I'll help you with the Editor. I'll make an HTML online Manual with screen shots, and a step by step on 'How to's' . You'll get it .

Posted by: joshpurple Sep 25 2006, 05:33 PM

Here's my little attempt at some 'How To's' with DWARF .

NOTE: These are DRAFT works. Just the current scene I've been using to work with the DWARF release. Very UNOFFICIAL, and all corrections are welcomed.

Start > open up DWARF after installing it ( I selected 'Full Screen' & DirectX on install for the workspace ) screen looks like this:



http://ProjectWish.joshpurple.com/Dwarf-start.jpg

You don't get the little red wizard , but he's here filling in for the Red Arrow.

You want to select that File tab > and then Open...



http://ProjectWish.joshpurple.com/Dwarf-001.jpg

A Load Menu will open > I selected "Dwarf_sample.dwarf"



http://ProjectWish.joshpurple.com/Dwarf-002.jpg

Then select Open > my scene looks like this,



http://ProjectWish.joshpurple.com/Dwarf-003.jpg

Hit F10 > the cursor disappears, and now using the mouse (no clicking needed) rotate the view down so you can see the terrain > Any objects in the scene will (currently) appear very, very small. The below pic shows the scene after I have rotated the mouse down, & the wizard's circle is around a centaur mesh I have in,



http://ProjectWish.joshpurple.com/Dwarf-004.jpg

Keeping the mouse pointed at the Terrain > hold down the ' W ' key, you will begin to slowly move at the ground > Tap the Shift key as you hold down the ' W ' key & you will move faster. Tap the Shift key again, and the speed will increase again. To move around in the Editor (since you have hit F10 key ) you can use the AWSD keys & the mouse rotation. After I move in closer to my centaur mesh, it looks like this;



http://ProjectWish.joshpurple.com/Dwarf-005.jpg

You might not have any mesh in your scene yet, or you might see some grass, or trees, etc. The PW Team has already included objects & terrain items for you to work with from the Resource Browser. The Centaur mesh is just more draft development work in progress.

Get comfortable moving around in the Editor, this can take a little time to get comfortable with. As long as you have selected F10, you will be able to move about. When you hit F9, you exit that viewing mode.

I move in on my Centaur mesh, and get in front of him, looking down;



http://ProjectWish.joshpurple.com/Dwarf-006.jpg

Those little white blocks are his bones, heh, heh. Ignore them. Now to add an item from the Resource Browser > select F9 , this takes you out of the movement mode > select an item from the list;



http://ProjectWish.joshpurple.com/Dwarf-007.jpg

Then select 'Add to World,'



http://ProjectWish.joshpurple.com/Dwarf-008.jpg

An "Object Edit" window will open > now move your cursor onto the scene, where you want your object to be created;



http://ProjectWish.joshpurple.com/Dwarf-009.jpg

See next post, I hit the image max per post, pardon .

Posted by: joshpurple Sep 25 2006, 05:33 PM

Cont.

Now when you click in your scene, that item will appear, I selected "flower1.mesh"
which now looks like this;



http://ProjectWish.joshpurple.com/Dwarf-010.jpg

The Flowers are a little big for my albino Centaur, so to scale them down, I go over to the Object Edit window and check the Scale;



http://ProjectWish.joshpurple.com/Dwarf-011.jpg

I enter a value of .3 ;



http://ProjectWish.joshpurple.com/Dwarf-012.jpg

And then select the Scale button > flowers scale down like this;



http://ProjectWish.joshpurple.com/Dwarf-013.jpg

You can move the item position around with the cursor, but the item will move very fast, and you may 'loose track/control' of it. If you use the Object Edit Window, you will find a little more control. Select the ' M ' for Move, and the ' R ' for Rotate. Then enter a value, and select on the Axis you want the item to be changed by (x+, x-, y+, y-, z+, z- ). Use small values to start, 5, 10, 30, 40.

Select the F10 key, and now use the AWSD keys, and the Shift key, to move around in your scene & find a good spot for the next item you want to add. I moved back, and the scene now looks like this:



http://ProjectWish.joshpurple.com/Dwarf-014.jpg

Further away from my scene, I could now select the F9 key > pick out another item from the Resource Browser > Add to World > click in the scene > adjust item.

When you add an item, it may be 'sunken' in the terrain mesh some. Select the item, then in the Object Edit Window, select the ' M ' button, enter 5 or 10 in the box, and select on the ' Y+ ' a couple of times. This should raise the item up, out of the ground.

More Soon! Hope that helps, and please feel free to ask questions, -correct me (anyone ), AND don't forget to read the Manual that popped open after you installed DWARF. That has more great info!

Posted by: Yellow Sep 25 2006, 06:25 PM

Really... its the easiest interface for a worldbuilding tool I've seen so far!

* Yellow quitely chuckles in the dark shadows

Posted by: Jerky Sep 25 2006, 06:36 PM

Fantastic tutorial Josh! I love it.

Posted by: Pandra Sep 25 2006, 07:38 PM

Thank you Josh. I had looked at the manual, and lets just say I'm not technically adept so it was kinda.... over my head. That tutorial helped alot <3

Yellow is evil.

Posted by: joshpurple Sep 25 2006, 07:44 PM

Cool! Thanks! Glad you all like it.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask, I'll be more than happy to try and help!

Posted by: Pandra Sep 25 2006, 07:59 PM

Will you have my babies Josh? *evil grin*


You soooooo asked for that.

Posted by: joshpurple Sep 25 2006, 08:05 PM

Sure! Put them in a stew & send them over

<3 Pandra!

Posted by: njpaul Sep 25 2006, 11:34 PM

I think its worth noting that the interface is really easy once you get used to it. Here's a couple hints:

• Hold down middle mouse button and you get into the free movement mode. As long as you hold down the middle mouse button you can use wasd to move around.
• In any other viewing mode, you can get back to the gui mode by either left or right clicking (i forget which).
• You don't have to edit the objects using the edit window. Select an object and hit m, r, or s (move, rotate, scale). From here you have several options. If you pressed m, you can move the object along its plane (constant y) just by dragging it. If you pressed r you will be rotating the object around both the x and z axes. If you pressed s you will be scaling uniformly. All those work by left clicking and dragging.
• You can constrain to any axis in the mode above by pressing x, y, or z
• To deselect an object, right click. Its the easiest way an guarenteed not to move your object. It is possible to deselect by left clicking off the object, but it tends to move the object along the terrain.

Posted by: joshpurple Sep 25 2006, 11:57 PM

Yes! Thank You Njpaul! Excellent! And VERY appreciated. That speeds up work flow tons!

Question: Can I import a .mesh that will act as the ground terrain / mesh? Example: In Max I create another hunk of land, one that goes underground, I export the .mesh, now when I drop that .mesh in the meshes folder, -could that work as the ground / terrain (I'm guessing not? )?

Posted by: Pandra Sep 26 2006, 02:30 AM

ok how do your rotate something? 'cause I tried to put a tree in and it was on it's side. Which is great if I wanted a fallen tree, but I wanted a standing up tree.

Posted by: Yellow Sep 26 2006, 04:57 AM

atm you wouldnt be able to walk on it, but you could create a mesh that looks like the ground for now, and we should look at the posibility of "painting holes" in the terrain so you could put a tunnel behind the hole and go underground.



When you click on an object, the Object Editor menu should pop up, select the "R" (rotate) in the top right corner, put "90" (degrees) in the box below that, and press the "-X"button. (Rotate -90 degrees on the X axis).

Note, in ogre the axises work like this:

X - horizontal (left-right)
Y - vertical (down-up)
Z - depth (in / out of the scene)

Posted by: joshpurple Sep 26 2006, 08:37 AM

Thanks Yellow! Much appreciated .

Posted by: joshpurple Oct 5 2006, 01:45 PM

Doing more with DWARF , and here's been my idea;

RP with DWARF

With the current RP that is going on with the Grey Horse Inn, all of the current models that I'm using can be used in DWARF.

So, I'm setting up the Grey Horse Inn inside of DWARF. I'll then post up the DWARF scene, the .meshes, and the .materials. Anyone will be welcome to grab the DWARF scene & files and mess with it . You should be able to move parts around, add items from the Resource Browser, add lights, etc. -take screenshots of it -post 'em, continue RP (Feel FREE to add LOTS ! ), and post your DWARF scene back up -with your added objects & updates (just make sure your DWARF scene works in DWARF, before you post up a 'broken' DWARF file).

I've been working with Gassy, as a static mesh, seeing if I can get the materials to work, the size of Gassy's model in DWARF, etc.

And, this is it (so far);



Full version http://ProjectWish.joshpurple.com/dwarfGassy.jpg

( Gassy has a green tongue and his eyes are solid white, there is no 'see through' part )

Posted by: Brotoi Dec 9 2007, 03:03 AM

Wellllll, I downloaded DWARF, installed, figured out how to move around in it.

Um... The cabin is up in the sample file is up in the air, so I was thinking I would select it, and then experiment with the Object Edit window, but, um, I couldn't seem to find any way to select it.

In "Static View (F9)", tried clicking on it and using the Tab key, but all to no avail, so what am I missing?

Posted by: Cobra Dec 9 2007, 11:30 AM

Its been some time since I used dwarf.

You need to go into the mode where the GUI is visible and the mousecursor is available. Mouse selection is based on the bounding box so you don't have to be exact with selection.

Select the object, press M on your keyboard, then press Y and click and drag the cabin.

Posted by: Windragon Sep 5 2008, 05:05 AM

The hole idea seems interesting, mainly for dungeons I suppose.
Seen that my English is worth I will try to write soon something (mainly suggestions) readable about the planned virtual pw ambient creation.
I hope that it will start a constructive discussion

Windragon